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by Paul Kovaks
Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:27 am
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: How unique is BCF/MCF's brand of cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years)?
Replies: 30
Views: 653

Re: How unique is BCF/MCF's brand of cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years)?

Yes, it was all so pathetic. It was all about always being judged. So everyone had to put on a show. There was no risk taking. That's when the Spirit left because only the natural performers could play a role. Us plebs were too risky to have a role. That song was Under, Under, Under His Mighty Wings...
by Paul Kovaks
Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:43 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: What role for churches in 21st century
Replies: 1
Views: 60

Re: What role for churches in 21st century

A tough question Bagel . . I was surprised in reading Acts how many times goodness before God includes giving to the poor. So I really do think that is important. Sure today the government does a lot and, as always, many bring poorness on themselves. It's got to be a balance doesn't it? As long as w...
by Paul Kovaks
Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:30 am
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: How unique is BCF/MCF's brand of cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years)?
Replies: 30
Views: 653

Re: How unique is BCF/MCF's brand of cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years)?

Interesting observations (and terminologies :) ) Bagel. Unfortunately, I can easily imagine these goings on (and saw some of these). As you point out, these guys gradually accepted the bizarre as normal and took on those traits themselves. Most of us plebs didn't get to see the full horror of it unl...
by Paul Kovaks
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:37 am
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: How unique is BCF/MCF's brand of cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years)?
Replies: 30
Views: 653

Re: How unique is BCF/MCF's brand of cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years)?

Yes Faith, our last 5-10 years in MCF was dominated by preaching of 'participation in the sufferings of Christ'.There's 3 or 4 Scriptures that are actually quite clear that we will share in His sufferings: Col 1:24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my flesh WHAT IS LACKING in ...
by Paul Kovaks
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:06 am
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: How unique is BCF/MCF's brand of cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years)?
Replies: 30
Views: 653

Re: How unique is BCF/MCF's brand of cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years)?

Yep, thanks BR. I'll get a copy of 'Savage Shepherds' because I really want to nail down what we submitted to. I've recently loaned a great book 'Playing with Holy Fire' by Michael Brown, a wake up call to Pentecostals BY a still-Pentecostal: https://billmuehlenberg.com/2018/04/03/a-review-of-playin...
by Paul Kovaks
Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:55 am
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: How unique is BCF/MCF's brand of cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years)?
Replies: 30
Views: 653

How unique is BCF/MCF's brand of cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years)?

I think BCF (Brisbane Christian Fellowship)/MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship)'s cultishness (especially the last 25 Vic Hall years) is NEAR-UNIQUE, globally. Here's why: I can't find any/many accounts of controlling cults that satisfy ALL of these 3 criteria: 1. An appearance of near civilised NO...
by Paul Kovaks
Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:47 am
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Gnosticism
Replies: 7
Views: 293

Re: Gnosticism

Thanks robo, "It had nothing to do with 'God's will', and everything to do with Vic Hall surrounding himself with 'Yes Men'" that's really key . . We beat our selves up so much because no matter how much we wanted to help it was impossible to 'get picked'! And we really weren't trying to be anything...
by Paul Kovaks
Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:48 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Gnosticism
Replies: 7
Views: 293

Re: Gnosticism

Very true Faith & Bagel. In our last 5 years at MCF (2012-2016) we were taught that we were a 'remnant group' and would be persecuted and never popular until the 'great ingathering'. They used that to explain our appearances in these investigative pieces and our dwindling numbers. So it was further ...
by Paul Kovaks
Mon May 07, 2018 9:24 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek
Replies: 16
Views: 681

Re: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek

Thanks for the confirmation Bagel.

I'm really trying to work out where it went wrong. Because I'm still trying to work out what exactly happened. Was it all egos as you suggest?

And I don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water. And neither has Jeff Hammond.
by Paul Kovaks
Tue May 01, 2018 8:46 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek
Replies: 16
Views: 681

Re: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek

Robocop, I did preface it with "irrespective of how well it was put into practice or not". So, yes, you are right, it was a sham, as practised. But Jeff Hammond is practising Biblical multiple eldership in a group of churches of 20,000+ people in Indonesia as we speak (I heard all about it from some...