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by Paul Kovaks
Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:10 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Recent Teachings of BCF
Replies: 9
Views: 299

Re: Recent Teachings of BCF

I largely agree. The most relevant verse is of course: 1 Peter 3:21 New Living Translation And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. ...
by Paul Kovaks
Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:04 pm
Forum: What is spiritual abuse?
Topic: TRUTHING IN LOVE
Replies: 7
Views: 214

Re: TRUTHING IN LOVE

Thanks guys. Great advice.

We still have to make decisions on what is often imperfect and 'dimly seen'.

But, as you've both suggested, we just do our best and focus on others.
by Paul Kovaks
Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:05 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Recent Teachings of BCF
Replies: 9
Views: 299

Re: Recent Teachings of BCF

Yep Than. Every son of God receives this grace through the ministry of messengers, who are in Christ’s hand as He walks among His lampstand churches. That is classic MCF/BCF isn't it! They're still at it. Exclusivity. Where's the evidence for this in Scripture? It'll come down to one verse that is e...
by Paul Kovaks
Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:10 pm
Forum: What is spiritual abuse?
Topic: TRUTHING IN LOVE
Replies: 7
Views: 214

Re: TRUTHING IN LOVE

Yes Faith, this is exactly what we experienced. The whole thing is just so stupid to me now, a year later, that I am so embarrassed (and devastated) for being part of it for over 30 years. It all hung on those doing the judging being at least mostly right and this would require completely supernatur...
by Paul Kovaks
Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:43 pm
Forum: Library
Topic: 5 Indicators of an Evil Heart
Replies: 2
Views: 254

Re: 5 Indicators of an Evil Heart

Everything I have seen of XCFs and Vic Hall are consistent with Than's accusation as much as I hate to say it. And I was a defender of Vic 100 times. It was agenda and control driven. It was one way love (from us). It was self seeking. It never, ever looked like the book of Acts. It's nowhere to be ...
by Paul Kovaks
Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:39 am
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 3261

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

Nope eagles, I'm fine, but thanks! New place is really good. Talked full details and fully appreciated by them and much compassion shown to us. I don't think anyone outside of it can ever fully understand but these guys pretty close. And definitely not being prescriptive towards us (after what we've...
by Paul Kovaks
Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:23 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 3261

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

They extrapolated a lot from Zechariah's vision (Zech 4) of the lampstand with twin bowls and twin olive trees. That's not so much their teaching about headship etc but about church leadership ALL coming from ONE apostolic bowl. They've admitted now that this was probably an OT pattern for Israel. Z...
by Paul Kovaks
Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:36 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 3261

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

I didn't have that much to do with Ray Jackson Jnr. But he was pseudo-head of the presbytery at the time it was happening to me so ultimately the accountability is his, true. In early 2016 he was compassionate towards me but then 'handed me over' to the current presbytery. But by late 2016 I drove t...
by Paul Kovaks
Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 3261

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

Ray Jackson Snr or Jnr?
by Paul Kovaks
Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:05 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 3261

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

PART 7. THE UPSHOT The upshot of all this goings on at MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship) is what? Was one family destroyed by one bad local elder? Was there something terribly wrong with us? Was it that local leader? Was it the local presbytery? Was it the BCF teachings? 1. It was not one family ...