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by Paul Kovaks
Mon May 07, 2018 9:24 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek
Replies: 15
Views: 334

Re: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek

Thanks for the confirmation Bagel.

I'm really trying to work out where it went wrong. Because I'm still trying to work out what exactly happened. Was it all egos as you suggest?

And I don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water. And neither has Jeff Hammond.
by Paul Kovaks
Tue May 01, 2018 8:46 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek
Replies: 15
Views: 334

Re: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek

Robocop, I did preface it with "irrespective of how well it was put into practice or not". So, yes, you are right, it was a sham, as practised. But Jeff Hammond is practising Biblical multiple eldership in a group of churches of 20,000+ people in Indonesia as we speak (I heard all about it from some...
by Paul Kovaks
Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:02 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek
Replies: 15
Views: 334

Re: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek

Yes Faith, agreed that the assumption by XCF of XCF being the messenger to the world is what empowered them and the shunning and sycophants & all the loonyness. I and my wife often ourselves said 'where else could we go'? We knew it was cultish to say that but we thought we were in the same situatio...
by Paul Kovaks
Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:49 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek
Replies: 15
Views: 334

Re: Vic Hall and Order of Melchizedek

Yes, the whole perfection business was a foundational element of XCF. At one level it made sense: It's there in Scripture, the church doesn't seem to be perfect today, and yet Christ prays at Gethsemane for the church to be 'one as I and the Father are one'. I still believe God wants a 'spotless bri...
by Paul Kovaks
Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:17 pm
Forum: What is spiritual abuse?
Topic: TRUTHING IN LOVE
Replies: 13
Views: 837

Re: TRUTHING IN LOVE

Some really good points Wendy. We must learn to not get caught up on exactly what people choose to believe and instead let the fruit do the talking. Obviously we still need to 'give an answer for what we believe' (1 Pet 3:15) but also not get caught up on 'disputable matters' (1 Cor 14). Of course t...
by Paul Kovaks
Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:07 pm
Forum: What is spiritual abuse?
Topic: TRUTHING IN LOVE
Replies: 13
Views: 837

Re: TRUTHING IN LOVE

Thanks Wendy, that's helpful and something we have BEGUN to realise. Absolutely true about just getting on with life and re-learning basic social skills! I call it 'common decency'. We of course interacted in the past outside of church but - even when we thought we weren't doing it - we were JUDGING...
by Paul Kovaks
Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:10 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Recent Teachings of BCF
Replies: 9
Views: 743

Re: Recent Teachings of BCF

I largely agree. The most relevant verse is of course: 1 Peter 3:21 New Living Translation And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. ...
by Paul Kovaks
Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:04 pm
Forum: What is spiritual abuse?
Topic: TRUTHING IN LOVE
Replies: 13
Views: 837

Re: TRUTHING IN LOVE

Thanks guys. Great advice.

We still have to make decisions on what is often imperfect and 'dimly seen'.

But, as you've both suggested, we just do our best and focus on others.
by Paul Kovaks
Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:05 pm
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Recent Teachings of BCF
Replies: 9
Views: 743

Re: Recent Teachings of BCF

Yep Than. Every son of God receives this grace through the ministry of messengers, who are in Christ’s hand as He walks among His lampstand churches. That is classic MCF/BCF isn't it! They're still at it. Exclusivity. Where's the evidence for this in Scripture? It'll come down to one verse that is e...
by Paul Kovaks
Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:10 pm
Forum: What is spiritual abuse?
Topic: TRUTHING IN LOVE
Replies: 13
Views: 837

Re: TRUTHING IN LOVE

Yes Faith, this is exactly what we experienced. The whole thing is just so stupid to me now, a year later, that I am so embarrassed (and devastated) for being part of it for over 30 years. It all hung on those doing the judging being at least mostly right and this would require completely supernatur...