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by Paul Kovaks
Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:52 am
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 72747

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

And if a leadership has become so partial and strategic in their promoting to leadership (ie of those who wont bring contrary testimony in integrity) then, FOR THE SAKE OF THE WEAK AND QUIET AND YOUNG, we of the congregation MUST SPEAK UP. That is precisely the state of affairs at MCF. The leaders a...
by Paul Kovaks
Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:42 am
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 72747

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

Thanks Wendy for your kind thoughts, anecdotes and encouragements. We are moving on but there has now been enough time to look back and see it all for what it was and get it documented online so it just SHOULDN'T happen again (even though it is!). I appreciate all of you ones who've been around duri...
by Paul Kovaks
Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:54 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 72747

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

It's obviously a tough decision. It's been debated in my household and with ex-MCF and non-MCF leaders: whose job is it to expose fallen LEADERS? God? Leaders? Congregation members? Scripture: 1. States there needs to be multiple witnesses 2. Commends those who have 'tested false apostles' Some thin...
by Paul Kovaks
Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:28 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 72747

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

PART 6. MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship) BEFORE 1993: THE GOOD AND THE BAD Just a brief note on MCF prior to the focus on control and 25 years of navel-gazing via Vic's 'guru headship' and family order etc teachings. There were undoubtedly some great teachings and clarity in the word MCF/BCF had...
by Paul Kovaks
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:24 am
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 72747

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

Yes, surprisedbyjoy, I agree with you, the whole messenger thing is a driver of the screwy behaviour at XCFs. But of course it is PARTLY true: And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? Rom 10:14,15 It's this emphasis that: 1. Your local elder was ...
by Paul Kovaks
Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:43 am
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 72747

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

Wow Than, that is so sad that Vic was talking like that in 2015. But it's totally consistent with what we've experienced even as we were low-level friends of his. I could never quite reconcile his boastful claims with our universal requirement of Christ-like humility. It shows that Vic's fall is one...
by Paul Kovaks
Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:36 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 72747

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

Thanks eagles.

I have had a lot of time to think about it and have needed to get it down clearly and identify root causes. I have read through the NT about 6 times in the last year trying to find if there is the slightest hint of MCF/BCF theology in there!

There isn't of course.
by Paul Kovaks
Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:00 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 72747

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

PART 5. THE SCREWY XCF THEOLOGY & ROOT CAUSES The tainted theology at MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship) that led to all this is a theology of control by people based on the idea that this makes it 'more real and less mystical' which undoubtedly has some support in Scripture. 'He who cannot lo...
by Paul Kovaks
Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:36 pm
Forum: General
Topic: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016
Replies: 57
Views: 72747

Re: The level of degradation that MCF reached 1994-2016

Yes, of course it's HIs ministry, and we work to do what He has called us to by Him in us and us in HIm. But we can't keep second guessing ourselves. Better to do good (as per Gal 6:9 Let us not become weary in doing good) than nothing. We hear only DIMLY while we are here so what God loves is us wo...
by Paul Kovaks
Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:54 am
Forum: Doctrine and Teaching
Topic: Fear
Replies: 3
Views: 5513

Re: Fear

Eagles, I think your friend had a great (and unique) way of putting it. God does not expect us all to be experts at everything. Or understand the whys and wherefores of his guiding. 1 Cor 13 makes it clear that knowledge will always be subservient to love. Love covers a multitude of sins. So let's r...