Dante wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2017 12:18 pm
Gillie - I have always appreciated your passion to help those bound and abused. I am so pleased that you have re-connected with Streetcar in this new instance, and look forward to following your contributions and insights.
Just to clarify, I too have no interest in debating doctrine. None whatsoever!! HOWEVER, for many, the first step in being released from the oppression and violence of RFI is to be permitted to think critically about the church's teachings, and to find a community that supports them in that review. My first introduction to Streetcar years ago was exactly that - a reassurance that the absurd things I was hearing were indeed fabrications, machinations, contrivances, and manipulations!
I think that a defining line needs to be drawn between those who use a recovery situation for preaching for the wrong reasons - self-promotion, also known as "self-aggrandisment - is always a bit suss. The problem then arises if someone dares to say what you did... that you "love the Lord".
I also love the Lord. I would defend your right, my right, or anyone else's right, to say the same thing.May I make the point that a physician is always needed in the healing process?
Who is OUR physician? The Lord Jesus Christ.
None other. When someone pretending that they are His messenger steps over the line, and abuses folk, then the person hurt needs to understand that it WAS NOT JESUS who did it.
It was a mortal human who had no right to do that.
Do we deny others the ability to recognise that?
This is perhaps why the major cults don't have many drop-outs (no offence intended) who decide to find the genuine Jesus, our "both Lord and Christ".
You see, nobody ever teaches them that the have been misled spiritually, they just realise they have been bullied by those they trusted, real people in the world.
I don't believe that you can leave out of the loop the encouraging words that Jesus would say if He were alongside us. We need remember that Jesus (not a mortal man) will encourage us to pick up the load here and help our brother or sister.
However some of us often sound a bit "gung-ho" in our attempts. If that is me, I apologise, but more likely I think it's because the person with hurts or frustration doesn't always realise the intent.
Dante wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2017 12:18 pm
None-the-less, I also know of many others that found themselves thrust into isolation and loneliness. Reflection on errant teaching is no use to them ....... I hope your experiences and expertise finds them in this place, Gillie!
I'm sure we can establish a harmony between the two motivations - without one doing violence to the other. Please continue to voice your concern if you feel the tone of Streetcar is not balanced in that way.
D.
So do I, friends. But you know some people have a very narrow view of their hurts when comparing them with those of others. Twice over I've recognised that here. I don't hold grudges. But once in the previous BB I was asked "what would you know about "shunning"?" I explained; I have no idea who it was, now. Then I anticipated in the new site (here) that nobody would know me, So I explained HERE about it, a week or two ago.
Nobody even commented at all.
It is interesting to see when nobody can even summon a little bit of grace and "charity" and perhaps say "
that's a bummer, and yes it lasted for thirty or forty years. But He's a great Lord to have fixed it up the way He did!!"
Did you even notice how He, the Lord, fixed it? Using people who years before had supported the problem?
And who repented of what they had done? Sadly the instigator (their mother) didn't.
Are WE ALL that self-centred in this closing age?
I'm not a "poor me", you know, but it really shows self-centredness in others when nobody knows you from Brizzy or Melb, so they make what looks to others like asumptions that
"his could not have been as bad as mine was!"
Try reading it again and picture and remove thirty-eight years from that life story.
I hope I have misjudged the situation. You get what I've heard called a "gut feeling" when you've experience running a chat room - which I have done for years. We had many visitors there who were hurt too.
Now, What about the concept of
- "
In All Things Essential,Unity,
In All Things Non-Essential, Diversity
In All Things Love"
You know this the DEFAULT argument you can use with every MAJOR and MINOR guru who has to be right.
TRY IT!
Rest assured that I love each of you as bothers or sisters. But you know some people in Jesus' family can be very
"ornery" as the Americans say!
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yes, I knew Vic's brother David.
I believe he is honest but misguided.
As I believe Vic is.
But each of us needs remember we shall ALL be called to account
Repentance needs to be NOW -
Before it is too late
"Make it right with your brother,
before the long night is over"
Have not each of us grieved our Saviour?
I know I have