The dishonest, pathetic & cultish origin of BCF/MCF's paralytic teachings
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:47 pm
I've thought about this a lot, and this is where the dishonesty & cultishness originated (in the post 1992 Vic Hall phase):
It was that the requirement to 'hear the messenger' (at threat of losing salvation) WAS NEVER PUT IN CONTEXT: WHAT WAS IT?
Was it prophecy?
What gave the messenger this 'sight'?
Did they have to seek this sight in prayer for the congregation member? Everytime? For how long?
Did every leader have this?
For what issues?
How often? On demand?
If it is prophecy it must be tested, according to Scripture.
But when did this sick, lunatic, 'judging by the cover of the book' so-called 'sight' of the elders ever get tested?
NEVER!
The sick messenger/naming teaching of 1992-present was patched together from so many different verses that we didn't know what it was. When you put it all together it seemed to make sense. But it was a MANUFACTURED doctrine that is NOT DEMONSTRATED IN PRACTICE anywhere in the gospels or Acts or epistles.
So it was submit to this untested new idea and don't worry about the consequences because God will honour you. But God can't endlessly honour stupidity and ungodly presumption.
Ultimately us men had to submit all our plans to these cult leaders or else go to hell. And women consulted their husbands and older women in the same way.
But there was NOT ONE example of a leader counselling a man in this way in the Bible.
So where did it come from?
BCF/MCF was alway worrying about 'dead works'.
Doing things that God hadn't told you to.
From that ONE Scripture on repentance from dead works (Heb 6) Vic built an ENTIRE cult theology.
It was inspired by
* 'faith comes by hearing' (but hearing what? The Word. The gospel of salvation OR advice on our daily choices?)
* we are to obey leaders (but about what? Godly living and sin OR about our choice of career, ministry, business and hobbies?)
* the idea that elders (like the beasts in Revelation) had many 'eyes' = sight
* Jesus advice to the Rich Young Ruler (to give up all)
* Jesus advice to take up our cross
* Zechariah's example of piercing in the house of his friends and the farmer being told he was a farmer not a prophet (that one hugely influenced Vic IMO, so we had endless sessions with elders telling us what we were and weren't)
* headship, where elders were supposedly the 'face of Christ' to men (nowhere actually stated in Scripture!)
Vic turned it all into a 'Gospel of You' (their words, not mine amazingly). God tailors the word for each of us and it's from the messenger and if you ignore it or miss it you're gone. So you got scare-mongering into doing everything your elder told you.
It is just so pathetic and horrifying that such a list of examples was patched into this devastating teaching that gave elders the power to paralyse and judge people for decades. On top of that came the authority to punish disobedience with shunning and bannings and family breakups.
I am just so sad for those in there that can't see how sick and abusive their teachings are.
It was that the requirement to 'hear the messenger' (at threat of losing salvation) WAS NEVER PUT IN CONTEXT: WHAT WAS IT?
Was it prophecy?
What gave the messenger this 'sight'?
Did they have to seek this sight in prayer for the congregation member? Everytime? For how long?
Did every leader have this?
For what issues?
How often? On demand?
If it is prophecy it must be tested, according to Scripture.
But when did this sick, lunatic, 'judging by the cover of the book' so-called 'sight' of the elders ever get tested?
NEVER!
The sick messenger/naming teaching of 1992-present was patched together from so many different verses that we didn't know what it was. When you put it all together it seemed to make sense. But it was a MANUFACTURED doctrine that is NOT DEMONSTRATED IN PRACTICE anywhere in the gospels or Acts or epistles.
So it was submit to this untested new idea and don't worry about the consequences because God will honour you. But God can't endlessly honour stupidity and ungodly presumption.
Ultimately us men had to submit all our plans to these cult leaders or else go to hell. And women consulted their husbands and older women in the same way.
But there was NOT ONE example of a leader counselling a man in this way in the Bible.
So where did it come from?
BCF/MCF was alway worrying about 'dead works'.
Doing things that God hadn't told you to.
From that ONE Scripture on repentance from dead works (Heb 6) Vic built an ENTIRE cult theology.
It was inspired by
* 'faith comes by hearing' (but hearing what? The Word. The gospel of salvation OR advice on our daily choices?)
* we are to obey leaders (but about what? Godly living and sin OR about our choice of career, ministry, business and hobbies?)
* the idea that elders (like the beasts in Revelation) had many 'eyes' = sight
* Jesus advice to the Rich Young Ruler (to give up all)
* Jesus advice to take up our cross
* Zechariah's example of piercing in the house of his friends and the farmer being told he was a farmer not a prophet (that one hugely influenced Vic IMO, so we had endless sessions with elders telling us what we were and weren't)
* headship, where elders were supposedly the 'face of Christ' to men (nowhere actually stated in Scripture!)
Vic turned it all into a 'Gospel of You' (their words, not mine amazingly). God tailors the word for each of us and it's from the messenger and if you ignore it or miss it you're gone. So you got scare-mongering into doing everything your elder told you.
It is just so pathetic and horrifying that such a list of examples was patched into this devastating teaching that gave elders the power to paralyse and judge people for decades. On top of that came the authority to punish disobedience with shunning and bannings and family breakups.
I am just so sad for those in there that can't see how sick and abusive their teachings are.