The Law of the mother??

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CF are continually bombarded with misleading quotes from people who are not properly handling God's word but are using it for selfish gain.

Here's today's devotional. Does anyone know where the first two sentences come from in scripture? I mean, the part that says a man's connection to Christ is "from the presbytery". And furthermore, this is the means by which he can "continue to be the image and glory of the Son".

Friday | 29 November 2024

The law of the mother

If a man’s wife is in rebellion against him, then he must remain connected to the headship of Christ, which is from the presbytery. By this means, he can continue to be the image and glory of the Son, and Satan is unable to gain an advantage in his house. 1Co 11:7. 1Co 7:14. The same is true if the woman’s husband does not obey the word. She is able to maintain her submission to the headship of Christ by obeying her husband ‘without a word’. 1Pe 3:1‑2. Through her sanctification, the house, including her children, can be protected from the ravages of Satan.

The Father, through the Son, has access to every child in the home when a Christian couple have a remnant of the Spirit in the fellowship of headship. According to this grace, the children are instructed by their father’s ‘command’ and ‘the law’ of their mother. Pro 6:20. The man’s sanctification is found in submission to the lordship of Christ, enabling him to lift up holy hands without wrath or doubting. 1Ti 2:8. The woman’s sanctification is found in submission to her husband, as to Christ. This is the basis of the father’s command and the law of the mother.

Importantly, the law of the mother does not entail a woman telling her husband or her children how to live. The apostle Paul said, ‘Let a woman learn in silence [without anxiety‑driven intensity] with all submission.’ 1Ti 2:11. This silence is not an absence of expression but, rather, is the divine quality of a gentle and quiet spirit. This is the adornment of a godly woman. 1Ti 2:9‑10. 1Pe 3:3‑4. Rom 13:14. ‘A gentle and quiet spirit’ looks like a woman who professes godliness with good works through her hospitable service in the house. These good works are ‘the law of the mother’. For this reason, King Solomon wrote, ‘Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her own works praise her in the gates’. Pro 31:31.

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Totally agree- twisted and dangerous!!!!!

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I must apologise. This post should have had a trigger warning.

When I read it again more closely, I realise this is the kind of doctrine that enables members of the 'presbytery' to abuse wives by manipulating their husbands. If the husband genuinely believes his only connection to Christ is 'from the presbytery', there's the avenue for abuse. And it happens. I've seen it. This is a harmful doctrine that doesn't have a scriptural basis.

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the interpretation given—that a woman must submit to her husband "without a word" to maintain spiritual protection—appears overly rigid

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Just a few thoughts:
1. Mr. Google tells me that a Presbyter is a Priest; one of which had "hands laid on him by the Apostle Paul himself"; and also an ancient Scottish Calvinist Order which existed between the Priest and Bishops.
1 Timothy 4:14 is a favourite teaching in the CFs where it talks about the young Timothy not despising his youth but to be courageous in the face of opposition.

Victor would have adopted this idea when BCF joined with Alex Wylie. a Priest?? Victor also adopted the appropriate 'voice' to show he was a priest. At the time I just thought he was being ridiculously funny or even stupid, but now looking back I think he really was implementing all this hierarchy nonsense. He should have gone one step more and introduce robes to wear for each level of authority!
The robe idea tells the plebs 'who to look to for their direction'.

It seems like Vic is inserting the Presbytery idea right down the chain of command....maybe to deflect blame from himself?...not sure...but he's gone too far with the Presbytery idea in my opinion. I think it is more like a coverup for his own wrong ideas.

2. The Law of the woman. Haha. Not a biblical term. Another Victor Classic made-up term. Old Testament was under Law. New Testament under Grace. Thank the Lord for that. Men have to love their wives "as Christ loves the church", then the woman is eager to fall in line....but women are still under Grace...and there are neither male nor female in Christ" (Dont forget Victor, women are under Grace just like men!)

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Just a few thoughts:
1. Mr. Google tells me that a Presbyter is a Priest; one of which had "hands laid on him by the Apostle Paul himself"; and also an ancient Scottish Calvinist Order which existed between the Priest and Bishops.

Mr. Google can be misleading at times. Some believe that a presbytery is a specific group of leaders who follow the line of Peter or Paul through various rituals. Others think it is just a group of leaders. A Presbytery can also be defined as a physical location where priests can go. In Christian 'Middle Earth', the definition of a presbytery is all over the place. It would be fascinating to hear Vic's definition.

1 Timothy 4:14 is a favourite teaching in the CFs where it talks about the young Timothy not despising his youth but to be courageous in the face of opposition.

Yep. He uses this as an excuse to keep doing what he's doing. I also find it interesting that he loves to preach this gospel that requires obedience to his 'presbytery', be he doesn't have to be obedient to anyone. Supposedly God. But we know the outcome of his way says otherwise.

Victor would have adopted this idea when BCF joined with Alex Wylie. a Priest?? Victor also adopted the appropriate 'voice' to show he was a priest. At the time I just thought he was being ridiculously funny or even stupid, but now looking back I think he really was implementing all this hierarchy nonsense. He should have gone one step more and introduce robes to wear for each level of authority!
The robe idea tells the plebs 'who to look to for their direction'.

It's a whole facade. I don't think he would advocate wearing robes; he would lose half the dwindling congregation. But the whole 'voice', demeanour and mannerisms, that's supposed to convey to everyone that he's the 'Man of God'.

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2. The Law of the woman. Haha. Not a biblical term. Another Victor Classic made-up term. Old Testament was under Law. New Testament under Grace. Thank the Lord for that. Men have to love their wives "as Christ loves the church", then the woman is eager to fall in line....but women are still under Grace...and there are neither male nor female in Christ" (Dont forget Victor, women are under Grace just like men!)

"law of the mother" is mentioned in Proverbs 6:20 "My son, keep your father’s command, and do not forsake the law of your mother." (NKJV)) and Proverbs 1:8 "My son, hear the instruction of your father, and do not forsake the law of your mother." (NKJV).

The devotional interprets "the law of the mother" narrowly, equating it only with domestic or submissive roles. It limits "the law of the mother" to "hospitable service in the house."

Additionally, it was mentioned "Importantly, the law of the mother does not entail a woman telling her husband or her children how to live.". It was implied that a mother’s role is primarily silent and passive, but this contradicts the biblical picture of parenting. Both parents are called to actively teach and instruct their children (Deuteronomy 6:7, Proverbs 22:6).

Proverbs 31:26 specifically praises a godly woman who "opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue." This shows that godly motherhood involves active, verbal instruction, not merely silent service.

I feel greatly disturbed as a woman reading this devotional.

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Proverbs 1:8: "Hear, my son, your father's instruction, and forsake not your mother's teaching."
Proverbs 6:20: "My son, keep your father's commandment, and forsake not your mother's teaching."

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Thank you one et al for your insights.

The following is not my original comp

"And God promised men that obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world,
then he made the world round and laughed and laughed and laughed".