INSIDERS: Christ cannot POSSIBLY be as obtuse as what xCF teaches

[Paul Kovaks]

My dear friends in MCF & BCF, please consider this.
For the sake of your children if nothing else.

Jesus cannot be as onerous or confusing as what they’re teaching you (and why would it be hidden between the lines of the Bible?)
Forget anything beyond ‘Christ and Him crucified’.
Christ is in every church where Christ is at the centre,
Especially in the home gatherings for sure,
'Wherever 2 or 3 are gathered in His name'.
Jesus guarantees that.

We’re reading transcripts of your meetings,
They read like a ‘how to do cult’ DIY manual.

They are now asking you to give up EVERYTHING.
Family. Friends. Celebrations. Common decency ('If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Rom 12:18' ).
A peaceful retirement with connections to all your family.
All that on top of controlling your marriages, studies, careers and businesses . . and even sports.

By staying in there you are destroying yourselves and your children.
You're supporting horrific ostracization of ex-members in many cases: Cutting-off people.

You’re staying in the cult . . to ensure your kids marry someone . . in the . . cult?
Really?
Give your kids freedom instead.
Give others courage to leave.

You must be close to realizing that you are inside a disturbingly ‘everything-but-literal’ suicide cult.

These speakers like (the wonderful) Wes Hutchinson will (all the same) say anything to stay in favour.

If you think that your church is ‘multiple eldership’ you are highly deluded.
It’s Vic-tuple Hall-ship.
And it was Jackson-ville before.

Go to any other church and attend communion and a home group.
Christ is there in the gathering of 2 or 3.
He promises that!

Richie & Tim & Vic & Jona.
Repent now.
It’s not too late.

Families!
Get out now.

Almost any church is 100x better than xCF.
The joy of a NORMAL home group awaits you at almost any church.
It’s all waiting for you.
Jesus is waiting for you.

[Dexter]

You must be close to realizing that you are inside a disturbingly ‘everything-but-literal’ suicide cult.

Perhaps I have an overactive imagination but I am somewhat wary that as VH's time draws to a close he may try to take his sheep with him... at least the elite. Like the Pharoahs of old who would be buried with their servants, or the more obvious parallel, Jim Jones, I wouldn't put it beyond VH to try to drag some of his loyal followers along with him.

I say this partly based on his testimony (whether you believe it or not) of his encounter with Christ in his office many decades ago. According to his testimony (and please correct me if my memory has failed me), Christ sternly told VH to see how far he'd fallen and to return to first love. Immediately VH tried to implicate the other elders saying that he couldn't make them do what Christ had commanded. The point that I got out of the interaction when I read it years ago is that VH could not receive the rebuke on his own; he had to deflect it onto others as well.

This is why I'm concerned that if he sees himself as an end times apostle, he may do something rash and try to take others with him.

Please tell me I'm overreacting.

[Paul Kovaks]

I hope you’re overreacting Dexter.

But this is true for sure:
Vic Hall does not care about any one else’s life.
Now that he’s old and the accusations and evidence are building up.
Any common decency.
Any semblance of normalcy.
It’s all cast off.

Like at Jonestown at the end.
Just not literal suicide.

But blow any happiness or family togetherness.
The seniors in their dying months must cast off all their non-xCF family.
Everyone’s already sacrificed every normal ambition in careers, business, property and sport.

You wanted a farm or holiday house?
How dare you?
That would limit the church‘s coffers.
And now we know what it was allegedly used for: $300K home loans to elders to buy their complicity,

He does not care that life was designed to be lived.
That we still want to live!
That it’s in that living that God actually nurtures and tests us.
Not in whatever ‘existing’ that xCF does.

Vic Hall makes it look as if he cares for seniors' and others' souls.
But he won’t acknowledge what every single Christian knows deep down:
Our salvation has nothing to do with our leaders or the minutiae that xCF talks about

Because to Vic it’s all about Vic.

[Sending.flowers]

Vic is a narcissist who only cares about what makes him feel powerful. He has held families under his control for decades and is doing everything to tighten his grip. I don't think we would try take the congregation with him but at this point nothing would suprise me. I am scared for my family - I just want them to safe and loved.

[Bagel]

Like at Jamestown at the end.
Just not literal suicide.

Greetings Paul,

Do you mean Jonestown? A couple of time you've said Jamestown. That's where R.M. Williams was born (I think). Or the first place of English settlement in Virginia? Have I missed something?

[Paul Kovaks]

Jonestown thanks Bagel.
Fixed.

[Stargazer]

^^^Dexter you’re not overreacting. I’ve seen Vic for decades say the Lord is “telling him that others aren’t obeying”. NO VIC IT’S YOU that the Lord is trying to tell to obey and return to your first love. Don’t put other people under the bus, it’s YOU He is trying to talk too.

[BreakFree]

It's an interesting question raised by Dexter. I have thought the same thing as well. While it would take a lot of coordination and with communion being dissolved it seems unlikely. Honestly, now it wouldn't surprise me if Vic's delusion was so great, that in his death he would also lead the faithful through the firey gates of hell.

[Buddy]

Good ol' Vicster the trickster is going to be very surprised, I do believe. Instead of sitting among the 24 elders, (before he was born, mind you!) he'll be sitting on a.............
(fill in the blank)

[Bagel]

Good ol' Vicster the trickster is going to be very surprised, I do believe. Instead of sitting among the 24 elders, (before he was born, mind you!) he'll be sitting on a.............
(fill in the blank)

Victa lives in Queensland doesn’t he? Isn’t that the home of the Big Pineapple? Seems fair.

Or has he got a holiday house in Coffs Harbour?