Richie Kaa (MCF) - master of dark psychology
Richie Kaa (MCF) - master of dark psychology
Richie Kaa (aka son of Richard Kaa Snr and brother to Bryan Kaa) is a master of dark psychology.
Richie Kaa is a degree qualified clinical psychologist who has risen to be president of Melbourne Christian Fellowsip (VIC) and Westlakes Christian Fellowship (SA) and has control over the lives of the people in these 'churches'.
Vic Hall (head of the overall church and self apointed final Apostle and God's last key messenger on earth) has put on the record from the pulpit that Richie works with him to get the 'psychology right' (Vic's words) in the books and doctrine he publishes.
Richie Kaa operates a proactive dark psychology of subtle but severe mind control techniqhues that shuts down a persons own thinking abilities and replaces them with the churches commands for ultimate obedience.
Richie Kaa's key note sermon from Sunday 1/12/2024 aim is to normalise abuse in the church and to prepare the people for the 'persecution' that is coming as authorities come to investigate and dismantle the groups stronghold and activities.
Richie Kaa has a large fan base that is obedient to him.
Richie Kaa's aim is to control a persons mind, even if the authorities come to investigate and bring individuals and the organisation accountable to Australian Law.
This link will be removed by the Sunday following 1/12/2024, but it can be seen that Richie is normalising abuse in the church.
Richie speaks from the 39:55 to 1:33:00 (very boring), but please listen and comment from 1:09:40.
https://www.mcf.net.au/connect/communionlivestream
Richie Kaa is a degree qualified clinical psychologist who has risen to be president of Melbourne Christian Fellowsip (VIC) and Westlakes Christian Fellowship (SA) and has control over the lives of the people in these 'churches'.
Vic Hall (head of the overall church and self apointed final Apostle and God's last key messenger on earth) has put on the record from the pulpit that Richie works with him to get the 'psychology right' (Vic's words) in the books and doctrine he publishes.
Richie Kaa operates a proactive dark psychology of subtle but severe mind control techniqhues that shuts down a persons own thinking abilities and replaces them with the churches commands for ultimate obedience.
Richie Kaa's key note sermon from Sunday 1/12/2024 aim is to normalise abuse in the church and to prepare the people for the 'persecution' that is coming as authorities come to investigate and dismantle the groups stronghold and activities.
Richie Kaa has a large fan base that is obedient to him.
Richie Kaa's aim is to control a persons mind, even if the authorities come to investigate and bring individuals and the organisation accountable to Australian Law.
This link will be removed by the Sunday following 1/12/2024, but it can be seen that Richie is normalising abuse in the church.
Richie speaks from the 39:55 to 1:33:00 (very boring), but please listen and comment from 1:09:40.
https://www.mcf.net.au/connect/communionlivestream
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Hi all,
The attachment is transcribed.
Before I get any comments. I am not the guest who started this thread. However as the live stream is only available for a week here is a written record of it. sorry I cant attach it as a document so its over a couple of pages.
MAJOR TRIGGER WARNING
Transcribed sermon by Richie Kaa – 1 Dec 2024 at MCF
Morning all, it’s great to be here together isn’t it?Um this is the beginning of our summer season, if we want to say it that way. ultimately it is the beginning of Summer, first of December. but it's just great to be together across the city, I always really enjoy this particular time of the year. I wanted to just send a very special welcome to Neville and Robin Mills who are joining us from Brisbane, it’s lovely to have you guys with us. and it's great to have other familiar faces that aren't always in Melbourne and also there's a few unfamiliar faces, it’s lovely to have you joining with us as well. we're going to work from a set of notes. the notes haven't yet been sent out but we will endeavour through the course of the week to have those notes proofread and we'll get them out by our email if we can just to support just the Proclamation of the word here today. I'll just work off my notes and I've got- the brothers have given me a set amount of time so we'll try to get through the notes as best we can. we're also very aware aren’t we, that it's not as easy as clicking on the link today so there's a couple of challenges. so for those on live stream, I hope it goes well. and it is a very narrow way today if you want to join the word, so here we are.
so in our study today, we're going to look at the death that Jesus died. and this is something that we – as Mark said- as we did consider this in September. and we thought it was important that we reconsidered this Focus because there are a number of implications that we want to give some time and attention to. it may even be that in the coming weeks we just take some further opportunity to apply and amplify some of the key implications. and the first part of our study then we'll be a recap concerning the death the Jesus died .and then the second part of our study will consider some of the implications of being joined to the death that he died which was the death of sin. and I want us to hear again very clearly just the statement the death that Jesus died, he died to sin. just want to make sure we've got the word T O. to sin not for sin. yes there's an element of him dying for sin, but there's an understanding here the lord really wants to illuminate to us today.
so I’ll just make the point right up front that the death that Jesus died, he died to sin, once and for all .he does not need to continue to die and his Death was not a death pertaining to everything up until that point in time. it's a death that ah- the benefits are available for all. for all. both before and after, that he gathers all of us wonderfully then into the provision of his death. and the proposition that the Apostle Paul was establishing and building on in his letter to the Romans ,which is where we take that passage, was that the environment that Christ now lives in no longer has sin in it .okay and you'll have heard these points , we're just going to refresh ourselves though. and this is because sin is dead to him and one of the key implications is that um is that this is also our environment for those who are joined to his death .the death that Jesus died he died to sin, therefore the life he now lives, he lives to God. and this is the meaning of eternal life. and we'll just unpack this understanding of eternal life a little bit more in the in the set of notes as wel.l so we can rightly say. sin is dead him and he is dead to sin. and when something is dead to us, I want you to hear this point very simply, when something is dead to us ,we no longer have a relationship with it. when it's dead, there is no longer any ongoing relationship. it can no longer influence us and we are no longer controlled by it. praise the Lord .
The attachment is transcribed.
Before I get any comments. I am not the guest who started this thread. However as the live stream is only available for a week here is a written record of it. sorry I cant attach it as a document so its over a couple of pages.
MAJOR TRIGGER WARNING
Transcribed sermon by Richie Kaa – 1 Dec 2024 at MCF
Morning all, it’s great to be here together isn’t it?Um this is the beginning of our summer season, if we want to say it that way. ultimately it is the beginning of Summer, first of December. but it's just great to be together across the city, I always really enjoy this particular time of the year. I wanted to just send a very special welcome to Neville and Robin Mills who are joining us from Brisbane, it’s lovely to have you guys with us. and it's great to have other familiar faces that aren't always in Melbourne and also there's a few unfamiliar faces, it’s lovely to have you joining with us as well. we're going to work from a set of notes. the notes haven't yet been sent out but we will endeavour through the course of the week to have those notes proofread and we'll get them out by our email if we can just to support just the Proclamation of the word here today. I'll just work off my notes and I've got- the brothers have given me a set amount of time so we'll try to get through the notes as best we can. we're also very aware aren’t we, that it's not as easy as clicking on the link today so there's a couple of challenges. so for those on live stream, I hope it goes well. and it is a very narrow way today if you want to join the word, so here we are.
so in our study today, we're going to look at the death that Jesus died. and this is something that we – as Mark said- as we did consider this in September. and we thought it was important that we reconsidered this Focus because there are a number of implications that we want to give some time and attention to. it may even be that in the coming weeks we just take some further opportunity to apply and amplify some of the key implications. and the first part of our study then we'll be a recap concerning the death the Jesus died .and then the second part of our study will consider some of the implications of being joined to the death that he died which was the death of sin. and I want us to hear again very clearly just the statement the death that Jesus died, he died to sin. just want to make sure we've got the word T O. to sin not for sin. yes there's an element of him dying for sin, but there's an understanding here the lord really wants to illuminate to us today.
so I’ll just make the point right up front that the death that Jesus died, he died to sin, once and for all .he does not need to continue to die and his Death was not a death pertaining to everything up until that point in time. it's a death that ah- the benefits are available for all. for all. both before and after, that he gathers all of us wonderfully then into the provision of his death. and the proposition that the Apostle Paul was establishing and building on in his letter to the Romans ,which is where we take that passage, was that the environment that Christ now lives in no longer has sin in it .okay and you'll have heard these points , we're just going to refresh ourselves though. and this is because sin is dead to him and one of the key implications is that um is that this is also our environment for those who are joined to his death .the death that Jesus died he died to sin, therefore the life he now lives, he lives to God. and this is the meaning of eternal life. and we'll just unpack this understanding of eternal life a little bit more in the in the set of notes as wel.l so we can rightly say. sin is dead him and he is dead to sin. and when something is dead to us, I want you to hear this point very simply, when something is dead to us ,we no longer have a relationship with it. when it's dead, there is no longer any ongoing relationship. it can no longer influence us and we are no longer controlled by it. praise the Lord .
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this is the nature of his death that he invites us to be joined to each day. Throughout Romans 6 the Apostle Paul employed the word ‘likewise’ and he was doing this to confirm that the same is available to every Believer. because Christ died to sin ,we who are joined to Christ and his death , can also live to God because we too are dead to sin. this means that we can live in the same manner as Christ and in the same sinless environment. now I'm not suggesting this is going to happen in a moment, in an instant, and forever there will not be a trip up or Hiccup. but what we beginning to understand is that he is wanting to teach us how it is that we can walk each day in this manner. and we are growing, we are maturing and this is his desire, and this is the nature of how it is that we bear and bring forth fruit in our lives.
So this is because Christ ended our connection to sin. that is, so long as we remain joined to his death each day. and this is because the law was fully satisfied in the cross. now what do I mean by that, the law was fully satisfied? it means that the law was nailed to the cross. and the law no longer has any place or purpose within this sinless environment. Okay, I want you to hear that because for a lot of us we don't think a lot about the law, in the sense, we don't consciously think that we're referencing or reaching or endeavouring to make sense of our daily circumstances in relation to the law. but can I suggest to you, that it is through every fibre of your DNA. it is absolutely, you know, in every facet of how we think, of how we see and how we speak. and this is the element of what the Lord's wanting to show us and teach us concerning the nature of his death. so the idea that isn't that we get smarter to try and identify the works of the law within us, that's not the point. that would be a pointless exercise. we acknowledge that the law is good, and let's just be clear on the point. The law is not wicked and evil, the law is good, the law is royal, the law is the definition, isn’t it, of the divine nature. so we're just going to be clear about ,you know understanding ,what the elements are that we considering here . so we acknowledge that the law is Royal, the law is good. it is Holy but is no longer a reference point for a Believer because it's been taken out of the way and that is where it must remain. it is not our reference point. it is not the means that we align ourselves so that we can achieve righteousness. and this is such a key for us in regards knowing how it is that we're to walk with Christ each day, it's not that we become better at understanding the law or attaining to the things of the law.
if a Believer is tempted to take hold of the law , once again to address a matter they remain carnal and in direct opposition to a participation in his daily dying. can you see that? the moment we reflex to reach for the law because a certain matter typically an injustice has provoked me to plead my case to demonstrate my innocence or to at least excuse my guilt. and this is the dilemma of how we reflex with our fleshly need to self-preserve and maintain our self-image. and of course when we do this it only revives sin within our members .which produces violent desire, which describes the action of an abuser and the reaction of the abused. which we will consider in more detail in the second part of these notes.
So this is because Christ ended our connection to sin. that is, so long as we remain joined to his death each day. and this is because the law was fully satisfied in the cross. now what do I mean by that, the law was fully satisfied? it means that the law was nailed to the cross. and the law no longer has any place or purpose within this sinless environment. Okay, I want you to hear that because for a lot of us we don't think a lot about the law, in the sense, we don't consciously think that we're referencing or reaching or endeavouring to make sense of our daily circumstances in relation to the law. but can I suggest to you, that it is through every fibre of your DNA. it is absolutely, you know, in every facet of how we think, of how we see and how we speak. and this is the element of what the Lord's wanting to show us and teach us concerning the nature of his death. so the idea that isn't that we get smarter to try and identify the works of the law within us, that's not the point. that would be a pointless exercise. we acknowledge that the law is good, and let's just be clear on the point. The law is not wicked and evil, the law is good, the law is royal, the law is the definition, isn’t it, of the divine nature. so we're just going to be clear about ,you know understanding ,what the elements are that we considering here . so we acknowledge that the law is Royal, the law is good. it is Holy but is no longer a reference point for a Believer because it's been taken out of the way and that is where it must remain. it is not our reference point. it is not the means that we align ourselves so that we can achieve righteousness. and this is such a key for us in regards knowing how it is that we're to walk with Christ each day, it's not that we become better at understanding the law or attaining to the things of the law.
if a Believer is tempted to take hold of the law , once again to address a matter they remain carnal and in direct opposition to a participation in his daily dying. can you see that? the moment we reflex to reach for the law because a certain matter typically an injustice has provoked me to plead my case to demonstrate my innocence or to at least excuse my guilt. and this is the dilemma of how we reflex with our fleshly need to self-preserve and maintain our self-image. and of course when we do this it only revives sin within our members .which produces violent desire, which describes the action of an abuser and the reaction of the abused. which we will consider in more detail in the second part of these notes.
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so the death of Jesus Christ was not the death of god but the death of sin. and I want us to just join together as families, as households, as a congregation, just over this summer season just to ensure that this point is settling with a Clarity in our hearts. I'll just say it again the death of Christ was not the death of god, but the death of sin . I believe the Lord wants us to see this clearly, as just a point of illumination, such that it does equip us on our journey of being made worthy. Amen. this is such a key for us in regards to the journey that he has on. likewise as believers we are instructed to reckon ourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ . so there's the participation of Reckoning but then there's also the activity of living. and what's the nature of our living ? it's that we are living to god, we are revealing who it is that we've been named to be. We are revealing the will of God, we are walking in our sanctification. this is the nature of our living. and this is our reality ,as one's joined to Christ’s death each day. however the death of Christ was a separation from the father, and so we acknowledging there was a separation . a necessary separation so that Christ might fully accomplish our eternal judgment. he satisfied eternal Justice by the power of eternal spirit, or we could say the Sevenfold spirit. so this is the nature of how he was enabled and he bought - he brought all contrary rule and authority to a complete end or to a complete death. as such, Jesus was revealed as the way which is the truth and the life of Yahweh .and at the same time ,being made in the image and likeness of god .so we can rightly say that Christ died for our sin and this is much of the way that I grew up, with more of a substitutionary emphasis on his death, and many of us would you know relate to that and understand that. so we could say that Christ has died for our sin as a sin offering. but the more significant point that we want to emphasize here today is that the death that he died, he died to sin. and you will hear me repeat that ,perhaps at an annoying frequency through the course of today. he died to sin, okay. Sonseekers, teenagers, I want you to hear this statement. the death that Jesus died, he died to sin. Okay. Any he did it once for all. his resurrection from the dead is more than an amazing miracle. it's the evidence that sin, which produced death could not hold him .this is a marvellous point. it's such a fundamental facet of the gospel, but just as we consider, it is an amazing point and understanding of his provision toward us.
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so let's consider then the key steps that reveal the nature of his death, that he invites us to join. So i’ll just go through these fairly quickly, I know that there's probably a set of notes from September that you can refresh yourselves on. equally we want to get these set of notes out this week as well. So the first point was Christ was made sin, okay. Christ was made sin. for he made him who knew no sin to be sin for us , that we might become the righteousness of God in him . Christ has taken sin captive to his obedience. Sin was made part of his body, as every person was made a Member of his body when he drank the cup in Gethsemane. He then suffered God's judgment upon himself as a sin bearer, and all of this was in obedience to the father and in accordance with their Covenant purpose, which was uniquely the sanctification of the son. as he was the only one who could walk this particular journey in the way that he did.
the second point is, that he has taken – he has taken this all out into the place of forgetfulness. as the Lamb of God -Christ was- Christ has taken away the sins of the world. he took them away by taking them upon himself and bearing them in his body as he became sin for us. we then read in micah chapter 7 verse 19 – we won’t expand these things because , as I said, they already recorded in the set of notes for us. the prophet micah informs us that he cast all our sins into the depths of the Sea of God's forgetfulness, okay.
the third point that we want to mention here, was that sin was circumcised and separated from him . having been made sin, calvary was then the place where sin was being circumcised from him in the seven wounding events of The Journey of the Cross . and we considered this with quite a degree of detail over the last number of years. so again we won't, we won’t emphasize the detail of it all . likewise in him , we are also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh , by the circumcision of Christ. We’re buried with him in baptism in which we are also raised with him through faith in the workings of God who raised him from the dead. so we personally joined the circumcision of Christ in baptism. and I’m sure many of you will be aware that on Sunday the 15th , we have a baptismal service. it's always a great high point for our community . no doubt this coming fortnight , it will be the same. We’d love you just to be prayerful towards our families and our young ones that are stepping forward into the waters of baptism . but let's not forget then, the nature and the substance of participation in baptism . it is -it is a -an expression of our faith for this circumcising work to be effective in us. and this is what the Lord is refreshing us with here today. this is where the sin that was circumcised from Christ is circumcised from us. and once sin had been circumcised from the Body of Christ, there was no longer any reason for Christ to be forsaken by the father and so he cried out my god my god why have you forsaken me.
the fourth point is that then, sin became dead to God. sin became dead to God, and we know that he then came back, because sin was dead. so let's just read this section, for the death that he died, he died to sin, once and for all. the life that he lives to God. Christ exhausted the judgment of God upon sin, such that sin died . he also took the law out of the way, and a part from the law, sin was dead. he not only suffered the judgment of God upon sin but he took sin and satan out into the place of God's forgetfulness and he left them there. then -this is the part we just need to just appreciate because this is a daily part of our journey also. then he came back as a new creation and, they did not come back with him. they are forgotten and dead to God, when Christ was restored to fellowship with the father, sin was now dead to God and no longer exists in the light of his fellowship. Amen. no longer exists in the light of their fellowship. and this is why we can be confident, as the word is being proclaimed and defines for us the ground of fellowship, as we come onto that ground, as we come and walk in the light , sin can be dealt with within us. Sin is being dealt with within us.
the second point is, that he has taken – he has taken this all out into the place of forgetfulness. as the Lamb of God -Christ was- Christ has taken away the sins of the world. he took them away by taking them upon himself and bearing them in his body as he became sin for us. we then read in micah chapter 7 verse 19 – we won’t expand these things because , as I said, they already recorded in the set of notes for us. the prophet micah informs us that he cast all our sins into the depths of the Sea of God's forgetfulness, okay.
the third point that we want to mention here, was that sin was circumcised and separated from him . having been made sin, calvary was then the place where sin was being circumcised from him in the seven wounding events of The Journey of the Cross . and we considered this with quite a degree of detail over the last number of years. so again we won't, we won’t emphasize the detail of it all . likewise in him , we are also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh , by the circumcision of Christ. We’re buried with him in baptism in which we are also raised with him through faith in the workings of God who raised him from the dead. so we personally joined the circumcision of Christ in baptism. and I’m sure many of you will be aware that on Sunday the 15th , we have a baptismal service. it's always a great high point for our community . no doubt this coming fortnight , it will be the same. We’d love you just to be prayerful towards our families and our young ones that are stepping forward into the waters of baptism . but let's not forget then, the nature and the substance of participation in baptism . it is -it is a -an expression of our faith for this circumcising work to be effective in us. and this is what the Lord is refreshing us with here today. this is where the sin that was circumcised from Christ is circumcised from us. and once sin had been circumcised from the Body of Christ, there was no longer any reason for Christ to be forsaken by the father and so he cried out my god my god why have you forsaken me.
the fourth point is that then, sin became dead to God. sin became dead to God, and we know that he then came back, because sin was dead. so let's just read this section, for the death that he died, he died to sin, once and for all. the life that he lives to God. Christ exhausted the judgment of God upon sin, such that sin died . he also took the law out of the way, and a part from the law, sin was dead. he not only suffered the judgment of God upon sin but he took sin and satan out into the place of God's forgetfulness and he left them there. then -this is the part we just need to just appreciate because this is a daily part of our journey also. then he came back as a new creation and, they did not come back with him. they are forgotten and dead to God, when Christ was restored to fellowship with the father, sin was now dead to God and no longer exists in the light of his fellowship. Amen. no longer exists in the light of their fellowship. and this is why we can be confident, as the word is being proclaimed and defines for us the ground of fellowship, as we come onto that ground, as we come and walk in the light , sin can be dealt with within us. Sin is being dealt with within us.
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now I know, this is many of us - for many of us, this is our testimony. what we have to be careful of , is that we don't get sin focused. we've got to live for God and let him do the work of dealing with the matter that he's already finished in us. and that's the participation that he is inviting us all toward . the point is we need to be personally illuminated to the death that he died. personally illuminated. it's not a piece of biblical information, it's not a gospel fact. it's a personal illumination that you -when you carry it within you – it will cause you to navigate your way through each day differently. it will cause you to think differently , to speak differently because the death that he died, he died to sin. that must be about nine times I've said it so far. please don't keep counting. I’ve put some of our teens off right away, haven't I. don't do it.
so we need to be personally illuminated to the death that he died and that he invites us to join each day. he wants us to be joined to the illumination of the death that he died. and when we are, we will begin to see the implications concerning how we walk with him each day according to the faith of our baptism. Because in his death, he died to sin and sin died. so likewise we can die to sin as we abide in him. amen. these are wonderful points aren't they? this is now what is effective and available to us in our daily life . every day . but we need to understand the infrastructure of sin and death in order that we understand the nature of his provision . we read in Paul's first letter to the Corinthian church, the Sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.okay. this is First Corinthians chapter 15 verses 56-57, if you’re wanting that scriptural reference. The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. but thanks be to God who gives us the Victory through our lord Jesus Christ. and why are we thankful ? because of the death that he died. that's why we can be thankful here today. that's why we can be thankful each day, knowing that victory is already secured. it has already been done. we just walk in it so that that victory is also the Victory in our own lives, okay.
so let’s just think about this word Sting okay. a sting is the means by which an animal wounds its prey even to cause death . so we read in Romans chapter 5 verse 12 ,just as through one man, sin entered the world and death through sin. and thus death spread to all men because all sinned. if sin is the sting that injects mankind with death, then law is its power. when Adam chose to be the source of his own expression- so you can just think even here ‘self image’- the projection that we have defined for ourselves. when Adam chose to be the source of his own expression, requiring him to take hold of the law, he transgressed the law of God and sin entered the world, which produced death for all men. However, when we are illuminated to the death that he died we come alive to the fact that death could not hold him because it is sin that is deaths’ cause and Punishment. this is why we can be filled with joy that the death that Jesus died was to sin. because sin is the cause of death . so that death of sin is actually the death of death. that’s an amazing point. The death of death. this is why , ah, the death that he died was to sin, is actually removing the consequence of sin. This is what the lord wants us to see. And this is more commonly referred to as eternal life. if death is wiped out and completely finished, what he got left? but to live for God. and this is what the lord is lifting up before us, and this is what he's wanting us just to be refreshed and illuminated in here today .
this is why Paul writes death is swallowed up in victory. this is why Paul says oh death where is your Sting ? see death is just the consequence of sin, sin is finished and sin is done. And that's a bold statement in a room full of the people that are still got to process this matter. But at least we know the end of the story. at least we know, this gospel which he's restoring us to progressively is filling us with hope that our life is not just going around the same old scenario, trying different things but ending up the same way. the lord doesn't want that for any one of us. He inviting us today to be refreshed to be joined daily to his dying. it's a death that is like no other death. it's the only death that we can be joined to that is absolutely going to deal and has dealt with sin once and for all. these are all wonderful things aren't they? the nature of his death is not then joining us to endless hours of therapy and Counseling ,as if this is God's way of ministering his peace. that's not the way that he wants us to live, that's not the nature of his dying. he desires that all men might understand the full provision contained in his death. sorry I’m getting tongue tied. however sad and difficult your history might be, however you know rotten and wicked you may have been toward another, his death grants to you a way to find true and lasting change. no longer defined by the abuse that you have committed or the abuse that you have endured. which includes the capacity for Supernatural forgiveness, which is the Overflow of his justification and forgiveness of each one of us . of each one of us. and this should not be confused with secular or human forgiveness. in fact you cannot forgive in this manner, unless you are participating in the dying and living of Jesus each day.
so we need to be personally illuminated to the death that he died and that he invites us to join each day. he wants us to be joined to the illumination of the death that he died. and when we are, we will begin to see the implications concerning how we walk with him each day according to the faith of our baptism. Because in his death, he died to sin and sin died. so likewise we can die to sin as we abide in him. amen. these are wonderful points aren't they? this is now what is effective and available to us in our daily life . every day . but we need to understand the infrastructure of sin and death in order that we understand the nature of his provision . we read in Paul's first letter to the Corinthian church, the Sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.okay. this is First Corinthians chapter 15 verses 56-57, if you’re wanting that scriptural reference. The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. but thanks be to God who gives us the Victory through our lord Jesus Christ. and why are we thankful ? because of the death that he died. that's why we can be thankful here today. that's why we can be thankful each day, knowing that victory is already secured. it has already been done. we just walk in it so that that victory is also the Victory in our own lives, okay.
so let’s just think about this word Sting okay. a sting is the means by which an animal wounds its prey even to cause death . so we read in Romans chapter 5 verse 12 ,just as through one man, sin entered the world and death through sin. and thus death spread to all men because all sinned. if sin is the sting that injects mankind with death, then law is its power. when Adam chose to be the source of his own expression- so you can just think even here ‘self image’- the projection that we have defined for ourselves. when Adam chose to be the source of his own expression, requiring him to take hold of the law, he transgressed the law of God and sin entered the world, which produced death for all men. However, when we are illuminated to the death that he died we come alive to the fact that death could not hold him because it is sin that is deaths’ cause and Punishment. this is why we can be filled with joy that the death that Jesus died was to sin. because sin is the cause of death . so that death of sin is actually the death of death. that’s an amazing point. The death of death. this is why , ah, the death that he died was to sin, is actually removing the consequence of sin. This is what the lord wants us to see. And this is more commonly referred to as eternal life. if death is wiped out and completely finished, what he got left? but to live for God. and this is what the lord is lifting up before us, and this is what he's wanting us just to be refreshed and illuminated in here today .
this is why Paul writes death is swallowed up in victory. this is why Paul says oh death where is your Sting ? see death is just the consequence of sin, sin is finished and sin is done. And that's a bold statement in a room full of the people that are still got to process this matter. But at least we know the end of the story. at least we know, this gospel which he's restoring us to progressively is filling us with hope that our life is not just going around the same old scenario, trying different things but ending up the same way. the lord doesn't want that for any one of us. He inviting us today to be refreshed to be joined daily to his dying. it's a death that is like no other death. it's the only death that we can be joined to that is absolutely going to deal and has dealt with sin once and for all. these are all wonderful things aren't they? the nature of his death is not then joining us to endless hours of therapy and Counseling ,as if this is God's way of ministering his peace. that's not the way that he wants us to live, that's not the nature of his dying. he desires that all men might understand the full provision contained in his death. sorry I’m getting tongue tied. however sad and difficult your history might be, however you know rotten and wicked you may have been toward another, his death grants to you a way to find true and lasting change. no longer defined by the abuse that you have committed or the abuse that you have endured. which includes the capacity for Supernatural forgiveness, which is the Overflow of his justification and forgiveness of each one of us . of each one of us. and this should not be confused with secular or human forgiveness. in fact you cannot forgive in this manner, unless you are participating in the dying and living of Jesus each day.
Re: Richie Kaa (MCF) - master of dark psychology
So we are just moving across now to forgiveness, which is the ministry of a son of god in the- you know- in the life of family, in the life of the community, in the life of broader Society. this is a ministry that I want us just to see afresh here today, a consequence of being joined to his death which is a death to sin. The apostle paul exhorts the Ephesian church in Ephesians chapter 4, not to grieve the Holy Spirit of God by refusing his help. and I'll just make a little summary statement here. the holy spirit is greatly committed to you being one that is enabled daily to forgive. this is central to the way the gospel is to be effective and at work in every person's life . he is enabling and equipping us with the supernatural capacity to forgive. because the moment you are drawn to take up residence in a place called unforgiveness, you are completely redundant in every other activity. the life of God ceases to flow from you and it is limited in its ability to reach to you. this is what the Lord wants to say very clearly. when Jesus taught his disciples to pray, he was very particular, wasn't he, about highlighting that forgiveness and the capacity granted to a believer to forgive,was the basis for which you continue to be forgiven. praise the Lord. so he does want to us to see something here.
So paul ia making a very key point here when he’s writing to the ephesian group, he says do not Grieve the Holy Spirit. and what is the nature of the holy spirit's help. because we do need his help and he offers it to us . and he first says let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour and evil speaking be put away with all Malice. so that's the first part of the help the holy spirit is giving to us. secondly he says he's helping us to be kind to one another, tenderhearted, and he is the statement, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. when I was a young child, I still have memories of these matters and some of you will relate with me. I wanted to have a superpower, does any relate to that? No one’s prepared to put their hand up, okay. now I remember trying to walk on water a couple times. I have vague memories of trying to fly. I was heavily concussed so I don't remember a lot of that. it was a Superman showbag in about 1978. I was personally fascinated with any superhero, and of course the evidence of the superhero was they possessed a super power. just a slightly Humorous point here, but I just want to make a very simple point. it never occurred to me, in fact it’s only just occurring to me, that as a son of god, we have been given the most extraordinary power. the most extraordinary capacity which is to forgive. that probably isn't going to get me into the Hall of Justice but I want you to hear how amazing this capacity is because it keeps us in the love of god. it keeps us effective as a minister of his Gospel . it keeps us, you know, joined in the fellowship where the life of God can flow to me and through me. and this is so key for us as we come into the season of History where great darkness is coming to the world. and we are going to need to know how to walk where much will come against us. we are going to need to know, how to ensdure in justice, how to walk and not be drawn to preserve and defend – you know what I mean - in the way we perhaps have in years gone by. And this is all real, this capacity for forgiveness , so long as we abide with Christ dying daily with him and growing and maturing under fruitfulness.
so with that in view, let's now consider a fresh the proper response of a Believer who has abused another person, and then the proper response of the Believer who has been abused by another person . and the two questions I want to address here, just in these set of notes, and if we don’t get through them all, as I said the notes will be made available. And these are two questions that we did put before you as the congregation back in September. we think it's important to reconsider them again . how can a Believer who has committed some kind of abuse be justified ?okay. and second to that is, is Reconciliation then part of this justification? reconciliation with the one that you abused. Secondly, how should a believer who has been abused respond to their abuser, regardless of whether their abuser seeks forgiveness or not ?
So paul ia making a very key point here when he’s writing to the ephesian group, he says do not Grieve the Holy Spirit. and what is the nature of the holy spirit's help. because we do need his help and he offers it to us . and he first says let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour and evil speaking be put away with all Malice. so that's the first part of the help the holy spirit is giving to us. secondly he says he's helping us to be kind to one another, tenderhearted, and he is the statement, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. when I was a young child, I still have memories of these matters and some of you will relate with me. I wanted to have a superpower, does any relate to that? No one’s prepared to put their hand up, okay. now I remember trying to walk on water a couple times. I have vague memories of trying to fly. I was heavily concussed so I don't remember a lot of that. it was a Superman showbag in about 1978. I was personally fascinated with any superhero, and of course the evidence of the superhero was they possessed a super power. just a slightly Humorous point here, but I just want to make a very simple point. it never occurred to me, in fact it’s only just occurring to me, that as a son of god, we have been given the most extraordinary power. the most extraordinary capacity which is to forgive. that probably isn't going to get me into the Hall of Justice but I want you to hear how amazing this capacity is because it keeps us in the love of god. it keeps us effective as a minister of his Gospel . it keeps us, you know, joined in the fellowship where the life of God can flow to me and through me. and this is so key for us as we come into the season of History where great darkness is coming to the world. and we are going to need to know how to walk where much will come against us. we are going to need to know, how to ensdure in justice, how to walk and not be drawn to preserve and defend – you know what I mean - in the way we perhaps have in years gone by. And this is all real, this capacity for forgiveness , so long as we abide with Christ dying daily with him and growing and maturing under fruitfulness.
so with that in view, let's now consider a fresh the proper response of a Believer who has abused another person, and then the proper response of the Believer who has been abused by another person . and the two questions I want to address here, just in these set of notes, and if we don’t get through them all, as I said the notes will be made available. And these are two questions that we did put before you as the congregation back in September. we think it's important to reconsider them again . how can a Believer who has committed some kind of abuse be justified ?okay. and second to that is, is Reconciliation then part of this justification? reconciliation with the one that you abused. Secondly, how should a believer who has been abused respond to their abuser, regardless of whether their abuser seeks forgiveness or not ?
Re: Richie Kaa (MCF) - master of dark psychology
as we consider these matters afresh , it will be very important to separate the repentance and apology of an abuser from the peace and forgiveness of an abused person. we need to separate these two elements okay .and the reason why we need to do that is because neither is contingent upon the other. and that will have been a fresh and new thought for many of us when we first heard that. there is a capacity granted to you by God and God alone for you to know and walk in the forgiveness of a matter towards somebody who has no desire to express any kind of apology or desire for reconciliation. and can be completely free and at peace in life moving forward in your sonship without any needing to be any interaction. in other words , an abuser can know forgiveness and justification without the person they abused ever forgiving them. Likewise, an abused person can forgive the person who abused them without their abuser ever expressing remorse or conveying an apology. furthermore an abuser, and an abused person, can be entirely resolved concerning a matter of abuse without ever being reconciled. As these are matters we will consider ,as I said, over the set of notes but into the coming weeks as well .
and this is because Christ- in Christ -and abusers justification is not based upon being forgiven by the person they abused. likewise and abused person is able to forgive their abuser without an apology . this resolves – I want you just to hear this carefully- this resolves the secular or ill say it this way- the fleshly or carnal view- that an abuser is in debt to their victim until the debt is paid .they remain linked until the debt is paid, they remain linked. that's a fleshly carnal mindset, and for some of us the lord is coming to release us from that mindset today. the lord wants to free us from that understanding. because that can sit it smack bang in the middle of marriage, that'll sit smack bang in the middle of your parenting. how it is - that you're trying to find reconciliation and restoration friendship within your extended family and within the congregation broadly. if that is your understanding of forgiveness, then there's going to be a significant limitation on every aspect of your life . the Lord wants to see -help us to see something fresh here today . and this resolving that flesh mode.
the story of King David which we considered last time concerning the abuse of Uriah, demonstrates a principle in God which is all together different to that. praise the Lord. he wants us to see that we are firstly accountable to him .that is, if we have abused somebody or if we have been abused by somebody , are accountable before Him. we are to give account for responses and our reactions. he wants to meet us in these matters , he wants to help us and he wants to walk with us in them. now as we consider these matters again it is helpful that we consider the motivation of abuse. not with any sense that we can justify certain things if we are appropriately motivated, not at all. I think it's important we understand because it's not uncommon for a person to label a situation to have been abusive toward them whereas the person that they are viewing as their abuser doesn't see it like that at all. straightaway , who adjudicates the issues of abuse? and this is very often a reason for further abuse, because there's a difference in opinion and a difference of interpretation -we're not going there -just to ask this more basic question . we do need to understand the motivation of abuse acknowledging that abuse can come in different forms. for example, abuse can be the outcome of ambivalence, apathy or neglect . I won’t ask you to how your hands but has anyone ever been impacted when you've been overlooked , forgotten, never even considered? or it can also be motivated with a very deliberate intent of taking advantage of another person, be that covertly – that is by deceit- or overly, that is by force.
and then let's consider the reaction or the response of an abused- of an abuse person- because we do need to be very careful that the statement we making here today - isn't just looking at the abuser and feeling Sympathy for the abused. we need to be very very careful ,that we understand something very particular about the reaction and the response of the abused . and I'll just make a point once I've just stepped through these points. so the response of an abused person can also come in different forms, including those defined as internalizing responses .so there's no sort of overt expression. internally there's all sorts of tumult and tumoil going on in the mind ,physically through all of the muscles systems, right through into the digestive system .some of you have known the reality of you know, Under Pressure and under stress, the internalizing processes. this would include things like self-loathing, depression and all manner of conversion disorders. Their psychosomatic conditions , where the way were viewing the world, the way that we're thinking about matters ,is actually having a significant detrimental effect on our physical emotional wellbeing and person. It manifests physically.
and this is because Christ- in Christ -and abusers justification is not based upon being forgiven by the person they abused. likewise and abused person is able to forgive their abuser without an apology . this resolves – I want you just to hear this carefully- this resolves the secular or ill say it this way- the fleshly or carnal view- that an abuser is in debt to their victim until the debt is paid .they remain linked until the debt is paid, they remain linked. that's a fleshly carnal mindset, and for some of us the lord is coming to release us from that mindset today. the lord wants to free us from that understanding. because that can sit it smack bang in the middle of marriage, that'll sit smack bang in the middle of your parenting. how it is - that you're trying to find reconciliation and restoration friendship within your extended family and within the congregation broadly. if that is your understanding of forgiveness, then there's going to be a significant limitation on every aspect of your life . the Lord wants to see -help us to see something fresh here today . and this resolving that flesh mode.
the story of King David which we considered last time concerning the abuse of Uriah, demonstrates a principle in God which is all together different to that. praise the Lord. he wants us to see that we are firstly accountable to him .that is, if we have abused somebody or if we have been abused by somebody , are accountable before Him. we are to give account for responses and our reactions. he wants to meet us in these matters , he wants to help us and he wants to walk with us in them. now as we consider these matters again it is helpful that we consider the motivation of abuse. not with any sense that we can justify certain things if we are appropriately motivated, not at all. I think it's important we understand because it's not uncommon for a person to label a situation to have been abusive toward them whereas the person that they are viewing as their abuser doesn't see it like that at all. straightaway , who adjudicates the issues of abuse? and this is very often a reason for further abuse, because there's a difference in opinion and a difference of interpretation -we're not going there -just to ask this more basic question . we do need to understand the motivation of abuse acknowledging that abuse can come in different forms. for example, abuse can be the outcome of ambivalence, apathy or neglect . I won’t ask you to how your hands but has anyone ever been impacted when you've been overlooked , forgotten, never even considered? or it can also be motivated with a very deliberate intent of taking advantage of another person, be that covertly – that is by deceit- or overly, that is by force.
and then let's consider the reaction or the response of an abused- of an abuse person- because we do need to be very careful that the statement we making here today - isn't just looking at the abuser and feeling Sympathy for the abused. we need to be very very careful ,that we understand something very particular about the reaction and the response of the abused . and I'll just make a point once I've just stepped through these points. so the response of an abused person can also come in different forms, including those defined as internalizing responses .so there's no sort of overt expression. internally there's all sorts of tumult and tumoil going on in the mind ,physically through all of the muscles systems, right through into the digestive system .some of you have known the reality of you know, Under Pressure and under stress, the internalizing processes. this would include things like self-loathing, depression and all manner of conversion disorders. Their psychosomatic conditions , where the way were viewing the world, the way that we're thinking about matters ,is actually having a significant detrimental effect on our physical emotional wellbeing and person. It manifests physically.
Re: Richie Kaa (MCF) - master of dark psychology
there is another point to consider here in regards the response of an abused person, and that's then defined as externalising responses . and that will include social withdrawal, removing yourself from certain people, shunning other people. it will include engaging in high risk behaviors and malicious intent for revenge. this is the response and the reaction of an abuser. We just got to get real about what we're talking about here today, now this is the point I want you to know -that the abused person becomes the abuser . and if you are sitting today wearing proudly a hat called ‘the abused’, can I let you know, it’s very likely that the thing is playing out in your life, perhaps knowingly but very often unknowingly , that there's now a secondary abuse that's occurring because these things have not been resolved. the lord is wanting the minister to us all together as a congregation that we don't overly define ourselves as someone who's been abused and therefore justify the abuse that we live with, and communicate and convey upon others. and we justify it by saying it's not as worse as what happened to me, not as bad as what happened- yeah I'm not terribly- a bit of a grumpy whatever but it's not as bad as I what I had to endure. that's not the way the lord wants us to live. do not Grieve the Holy Spirit . he's coming to minister the capacity forgiveness so that we can grow and mature in the divine nature .shutting down all malicious intent so that we can be tenderhearted, kind, forgiving one another. these are the things that he wants to put before us.
so thankfully an abused person does not require their abuser to repent for their abuse before they are able to find peace through forgiveness .this is because- I want you to hear this simple Point -forgiveness is an initiative and an action of faith before it is ever the response that somebody requires from you .if they've done something ill against you. it is an initiative and it is an action of faith that is ministered to you. and it by this means that you keep yourself in the love of God. rather than a response to any persons request for forgiveness . and this is because we are learning that our accountability is first with God. it's to him that we must give an account. forgiveness is then the evidence that an abused person is dying with Christ, has died with christ, and died to abuse, sending the matter away. it's no longer a debt that they carry within themselves with the expectation that that debt be paid. they have sent the entire matter away. and this means, they have forsaken the carnal propensity to reach for the law in order to address the Injustice, instead their focus is on being brought back from the death caused by sin by the resurrection life of Christ. and this is precisely how we are being saved, not by Our Own works of righteousness that we do, but by his mercy he’s saving us by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.
Consider the life of Joseph , one of my favourite stories in the scripture. the life of Joseph, particularly in reference to his brothers. There’s lots of siblings here today. I’m not sure anyone is trying to get away with what Joseph's brothers tried to do but there's some fair upheaval and tumult in houses day to day, let's consider this matter though. he said concerning his brothers who sold him and feigned his death to their father, you meant it for evil but god intended it for good. your intention was malicious ,but as I was gathered and drawn into the Fellowship of God, joined to his purpose for my life ,forgiveness was granted to me for you .praise the Lord .the lord is wanting to minister forgiveness here among us today , he wants to grant to you a supernatural capacity today, and in this coming season. our faith and our Outlook can be based upon knowing that God sees the end from the beginning. the bottom line is -and we said this already but we'll say again- every one of us has been an abuser and every one of us has been abused .and we must accept that our accountability is first to God . and as we exercise our accountability we will keep ourselves in the love of god looking for the mercy of our lord Jesus Christ under eternal life. this is made possible because the Holy Spirit continues to pour the love of god into our hearts, as we present ourselves each day to walk his offering journey and remain joined by the Holy Spirit to their fellowship. the result is that we are no longer tempted to reach for the law to address matters, demonstrating that we are learning to judge matters spiritually.
so thankfully an abused person does not require their abuser to repent for their abuse before they are able to find peace through forgiveness .this is because- I want you to hear this simple Point -forgiveness is an initiative and an action of faith before it is ever the response that somebody requires from you .if they've done something ill against you. it is an initiative and it is an action of faith that is ministered to you. and it by this means that you keep yourself in the love of God. rather than a response to any persons request for forgiveness . and this is because we are learning that our accountability is first with God. it's to him that we must give an account. forgiveness is then the evidence that an abused person is dying with Christ, has died with christ, and died to abuse, sending the matter away. it's no longer a debt that they carry within themselves with the expectation that that debt be paid. they have sent the entire matter away. and this means, they have forsaken the carnal propensity to reach for the law in order to address the Injustice, instead their focus is on being brought back from the death caused by sin by the resurrection life of Christ. and this is precisely how we are being saved, not by Our Own works of righteousness that we do, but by his mercy he’s saving us by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.
Consider the life of Joseph , one of my favourite stories in the scripture. the life of Joseph, particularly in reference to his brothers. There’s lots of siblings here today. I’m not sure anyone is trying to get away with what Joseph's brothers tried to do but there's some fair upheaval and tumult in houses day to day, let's consider this matter though. he said concerning his brothers who sold him and feigned his death to their father, you meant it for evil but god intended it for good. your intention was malicious ,but as I was gathered and drawn into the Fellowship of God, joined to his purpose for my life ,forgiveness was granted to me for you .praise the Lord .the lord is wanting to minister forgiveness here among us today , he wants to grant to you a supernatural capacity today, and in this coming season. our faith and our Outlook can be based upon knowing that God sees the end from the beginning. the bottom line is -and we said this already but we'll say again- every one of us has been an abuser and every one of us has been abused .and we must accept that our accountability is first to God . and as we exercise our accountability we will keep ourselves in the love of god looking for the mercy of our lord Jesus Christ under eternal life. this is made possible because the Holy Spirit continues to pour the love of god into our hearts, as we present ourselves each day to walk his offering journey and remain joined by the Holy Spirit to their fellowship. the result is that we are no longer tempted to reach for the law to address matters, demonstrating that we are learning to judge matters spiritually.
Re: Richie Kaa (MCF) - master of dark psychology
this also results in our reluctance to react when people judge us by the law .the most amazing account in the scriptures which you know all very well. I think it's act chapter 7 ,the martyr Stephen. he demonstrated this principle, who although he was being murdered ,he did not react carnally to the assessment of the gathered crowd not fear th consequences .that's an incredible statement isn’t it. even though it's very likely he knew what was Unfolding. he did not respond and react carnally. And this is what the lord is wanting to join us to . when we live this way the name of the father is hallowed, and no longer profane, for the way that we live and act. and this is how the kingdom of God is coming. this is how his will is being done on earth. This is achieved by the daily provision of his bread which enables our participation in the fellowship of his dying and the seven dying events of his offering journey which is circumcising from us the propensity to react and seek vengeance towards those abuse us. however when an abused person, offers forgiveness to their abuser, this should not be confused as atonement for their sin. This is because forgiveness from an aggrieved party does not absolve the abuser. and why is that? it's because the abuser is accountable before god. this is a key point of us all isn’t it? the abuser- now some of us will have made matters right in matters where we have been abusive. And you know, there’s a spectrum of abuse, from the very significant very serious, criminal kinds of abuse this right through the daily Injustice that we, you know, impose upon others. I don't want to be trivial here today,because I know the lord is doing a great work among many hearts and many homes , considering the very significant and very severe matters. I think it’s important that we register that the nature of these things does need a proper accountable engagement with the lord and then in fellowship for the matters to be properly worked through. the lord wants to provide a context for us to work these meters through.
Okay, in this regard, it is entirely feasible that an abused person can forgive their abuser but never be reconciled .and we might say a little more on this in the coming season .but as we said in a previous set of notes, this would include where a party denies the abuse, is ignorant of the abuse, is no longer alive to acknowledge or process the abuse, or where further harm is intended by refusing to apologize or by denying the intent or impact of the abuse. the point is they do not hold the key for you to gain access to forgiveness and of being restored to peace. they do not hold the key. he's the one that's ministering this capacity to you because the death that Jesus died, he died to sin. this means the abusers power can be broken without them ever needing to apologize or a repenting to the person they abused. And that’s tremendous. And please don’t sit there and think oh well if that’s the case I probably don’t need to apologise, ah no that's not the point .it's highlighting the point that we are firstly accountable to God, he's the one that is going to meet us with provision. He the one and only the one that can work these matters through. And this is why It is important that we separate these matters or else the cause and effect idea persists, and when we live that way , it will always be a kind of a trading dynamic . there's a debt that has to be paid .the lord doesn't want us living in- that in that way. he wants us to walk in a proper and accountable manner as Sons Of God
now if an issue of abuse in a life of the Believer is not properly resolved -so that is forgiven- then it will be commuted to Vengeance, which is part of an abused response. and this is because they have succumbed to the temptation of taking hold of the law with the view of righting an injustice or addressing an abuse. and this is what we call carnality. this is the carnal dilemma. we've looked at this through the course of the year as well .and as Christians we are warned against taking Vengeance because Vengeance belongs only to God .we read that in Romans 12:17 to 19 and any use of the law is carnal, and it is the basis for vengeance. and it is a device by which Satan takes advantage over the believers. we then with god like desire covet the law and it's power ,but know this and I know that we know this, but know this it only works in us violent desire. that's all it can work in us. accordingly, those who live after the flesh will carnally take hold of the law which only produces death in you and death in them. It is never a life-giving ministry when we take hold of the law. and this is the basis of the phrase ‘abused people abuse people’- We do need to see this and we do need to know this because it is cyclical, it is the nature of how carnality is damaging and it’s ministering damage and death to every person. this is what the Lord wants to break us free from.
Okay, in this regard, it is entirely feasible that an abused person can forgive their abuser but never be reconciled .and we might say a little more on this in the coming season .but as we said in a previous set of notes, this would include where a party denies the abuse, is ignorant of the abuse, is no longer alive to acknowledge or process the abuse, or where further harm is intended by refusing to apologize or by denying the intent or impact of the abuse. the point is they do not hold the key for you to gain access to forgiveness and of being restored to peace. they do not hold the key. he's the one that's ministering this capacity to you because the death that Jesus died, he died to sin. this means the abusers power can be broken without them ever needing to apologize or a repenting to the person they abused. And that’s tremendous. And please don’t sit there and think oh well if that’s the case I probably don’t need to apologise, ah no that's not the point .it's highlighting the point that we are firstly accountable to God, he's the one that is going to meet us with provision. He the one and only the one that can work these matters through. And this is why It is important that we separate these matters or else the cause and effect idea persists, and when we live that way , it will always be a kind of a trading dynamic . there's a debt that has to be paid .the lord doesn't want us living in- that in that way. he wants us to walk in a proper and accountable manner as Sons Of God
now if an issue of abuse in a life of the Believer is not properly resolved -so that is forgiven- then it will be commuted to Vengeance, which is part of an abused response. and this is because they have succumbed to the temptation of taking hold of the law with the view of righting an injustice or addressing an abuse. and this is what we call carnality. this is the carnal dilemma. we've looked at this through the course of the year as well .and as Christians we are warned against taking Vengeance because Vengeance belongs only to God .we read that in Romans 12:17 to 19 and any use of the law is carnal, and it is the basis for vengeance. and it is a device by which Satan takes advantage over the believers. we then with god like desire covet the law and it's power ,but know this and I know that we know this, but know this it only works in us violent desire. that's all it can work in us. accordingly, those who live after the flesh will carnally take hold of the law which only produces death in you and death in them. It is never a life-giving ministry when we take hold of the law. and this is the basis of the phrase ‘abused people abuse people’- We do need to see this and we do need to know this because it is cyclical, it is the nature of how carnality is damaging and it’s ministering damage and death to every person. this is what the Lord wants to break us free from.
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